Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Charles Pick's avatar

This is a big topic. With IP enforcement, there can be both criminal (for counterfeiting and copyright infringement of certain kinds) and civil penalties (all types). In the past, the federal government used to take a much more active role in physically monitoring imports for infringement. When you read the old cases port seizures come up fairly frequently in the fact patterns. While it does still happen the entire process is different now, and for the most part civil plaintiffs have to figure it out on their own. This is partly a scale issue in that there are so many more goods now and a large proportion of them are imported.

It's also an issue with the modal infringer being an importer now rather than someone running a counterfeiting facility in the US. The typical infringer in the past might be someone manufacturing blank jeans with no logo in the US, and then affixing a logo to them at some other facility. Now it is just a factory in Asia that is probably legitimate in other respects just doing runs of counterfeits. You could sue and win against thousands of different retailers selling counterfeit goods made in the same factory and have no impact on the source.

There is a large and vigorous IP plaintiff bar that is perhaps more effective than a lot of people realize. It's just that as you have surmised it is difficult to collect from foreign defendants using the internet to sell into the US. They can and do collect from the assets those defendants have that may be temporarily in the US, but there can't be much deterrence because it is hard or impossible to reach into those jurisdictions.

The marketplaces are indeed worried about losing 230 immunity and to that end they operate vast private quasi-administrative law systems to protect their immunities. Some like Redbubble have had their immunity pierced in certain recent cases because they don't do a good enough job at this.

Reckoning's avatar

All very good. We have become a 2-tier economy, with an “official”, expensive and burdensome version for the rubes and an unofficial, cheap and sometimes dangerous one for those who can operate without assets and ideally based on trust-based ethnic networks.

Increasingly it feels like legitimate businesses have to take on the characteristics of grey market businesses to survive. Every time I make a purchase there is a danger of getting cheated and quality is becoming obsolete. And the era of the above board small business is coming to an end.

I agree with you that the answer isn’t in removing constraints on rule-based players, but in forcing foreign players to play by the same rules. Unfortunately the immediate impact of such moves would be to raise prices, which is difficult in the current economic environment.

7 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?