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Spouting Thomas's avatar

Also came from Aaron Renn. Good discussion here.

I'll say on Jill Dillard (nee Duggar) and the documentary: highly recommend reading her book and skipping the documentary. The book is a quick read, and the interview with her and her husband are the only parts of the documentary worth watching. Too much of the documentary consists of bloviating from literal Reddit atheists, and that time would be better spent reading the book and learning more context around her and her husband's comments.

>Gothard himself also demonstrated the general gullibility of evangelicals. Gothard is and was single and has never married or had children, yet people accepted his parenting advice largely without questioning his lack of practical experience.

I feel for the incels, but in my experience it's an unfortunate yet evergreen heuristic that one should be very, very slow to trust never-married men in positions of responsibility or leadership. Surely this has to go at least quadruple when he's purporting to be a guru for parenting advice, openly surrounds himself with beautiful girls and young women, and fails to abide by the Billy Graham Rule!

>Congregational government is often a dictatorship in practice and Gothard types who hear voices and claim God told them something get shut down quickly by grumpy, pipe-smoking Reformed elders, and if they don’t, the broader, regional body of governing elders will.

I'll admit that I have a bias towards congregational polity, out of concern that more complex arrangements are perpetually vulnerable to Conquest's Second Law, which is to say institutional capture by hostile forces. But you raise a valid point that while congregational polity may work reasonably well for the well-educated upper-middle class, others may benefit from more robust checks and balances.

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"but since the Bible is an unchanging document"

That's historically "wrong", for lack of a better word (research New Testament variants for the details).

But even granting that statement, does it matter that the base text didn't change when each generation of religious leaders (including Catholics) re-interprets the Bible? Exodus 22:18 says we need to kill witches; the church did so for centuries, now we don't so much. The base text didn't change, but to say the Bible is "unchanging" without acknowledging the huge variance in interpretation every so often is disingenuous.

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