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Anon S's avatar

Thanks for Gabb phone info. Wish there was an Android OS fork that could lock things down on an operating system level.

Outside of arranged marriages, women on average will be marrying earlier to older men. Leaving men with the longer abstinence period and the higher drive. There isn't a high enough probability to be able to marry if they burn with passion while young and unestablished.

Was the majority of the actual historical approach more focused on avoiding high damage pitfalls combined with "don't ask, don't tell" and "just don't talk about it" (could this do better at shutting down the dopamine funnel into perverse sub-cultures?).

More practical virtue focused on outcomes and less systems that lead to “what the hell” effect.

(from Duggars article https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/pressure-proof/201701/how-the-what-the-hell-effect-impacts-your-willpower).

"The what-the-hell effect describes the cycle you feel when you indulge, regret what you’ve done, and then go back for more. Your brain rationalizes your behavior by saying, “You already blew your goal of only having two cookies, so... what the hell, you might as well eat the entire pan.” The phrase was coined by dieting researchers, but the effect can apply to any setback or willpower challenge.

According to Kelly McGonigal, who writes about the effect in The Willpower Instinct, “Giving in makes you feel bad about yourself, which motivates you to do something to feel better. And what’s the cheapest, fastest strategy for feeling better? Often the very thing you feel bad about... It’s not the first giving-in that guarantees the bigger relapse. It’s the feelings of shame, guilt, loss of control and loss of hope that follow the first relapse.”"

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Tom Owens's avatar

I think you get what I'm saying as a least worst solution in a fallen world of scarcity. Dabney talks about two types of sin. One type of sin is because of our sin nature, and there's a whole other type that is a consequence of being designed for perfection but subject to a fallen creation. Certain compromises are going to be made that should neither be publicly approved or condemned.

I'm a Southerner culturally, so too much sex talk, especially direct talk, makes me uncomfortable, hence my indirect, tangential language for much of this. I think there's a lot of cultural wisdom in keeping bedroom stuff in the bedroom, making sex a private thing as a norm, and staying silent where the Bible is silent. Traditional southern culture rejects Yankee idealism, which I think has infected the church through the purity movement. But I think more explicit talk is going to be necessary to correct its errors, so I wrote this column despite it being uncomfortable.

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typopete's avatar

My dad told me no sexual activity with a woman you wouldn't want to be your wife. Always made sense to me, but a former girl friend had issues with that.

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Johanas Silento's avatar

Thanks for the investment, Tom. As always, an intriguing read on multiple levels.

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Bill Marty's avatar

On smart phones for kids (or adults), I favor a simpler solution. Cell phones must use the airwaves, which are owned collectively by the people and administered by the FCC, giving the federal government leverage with the phone companies. I'd like to see Apple, Samsung, etc. encouraged to offer identical phones to their current products that I call "tool phones". The idea would be that a tool phone has all the tools available: camera, texting, email, maps, Uber, calendar, music, banking, etc. But the phone has an OS level block on anything addictive. No social media, web browser, YouTube, gambling, etc. This is not a setting that can be changed. It's a choice at purchase time. I either buy an everything phone or a tool phone.

"As for me and my house", we will choose tool phones.

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jabster's avatar

So Adam was the first documented case of a man being whipped.

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